Black Population Boom

It is expected that there will be a sharp and sudden rise in the numbers of the Black population in America over the course of the next year. This is expected – intended by some ne’erdowells – to cause a dramatic shift in the allocation of federal and state funds.

No, there’s not going to be a sudden sad rise in the already shameful “baby mama” population – thank all the Gods for their mercy and ongoing tolerance. ACORN is partnering with Obama’s Administration to help conduct the 2010 US Census.

The U.S. Census is supposed to be free of politics, but one group with a history of voter fraud, ACORN, is participating in next year’s count, raising concerns about the politicization of the decennial survey.

The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now signed on as a national partner with the U.S. Census Bureau in February 2009 to assist with the recruitment of the 1.4 million temporary workers needed to go door-to-door to count every person in the United States — currently believed to be more than 306 million people.

A U.S. Census “sell sheet,” an advertisement used to recruit national partners, says partnerships with groups like ACORN ”play an important role in making the 2010 Census successful,” including by “help[ing] recruit census workers.”

All humor aside, I fairly sure ACORN’s long history of handling paperwork as they have and the particular methods they use for hiring staff – especially canvassing “staffers” – had a great deal to with the Obama administration’s choice to include ACORN in the 2010 Census.

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24 Responses to “Black Population Boom”

  1. Susanne Says:

    Oh, hmmm. How nice. :-/

  2. Josh Brandt Says:

    *sigh* Unsurprising, but still pisses me off.

  3. jonolan Says:

    Yeah, it’s not only unsuprising but goes somewhat towards explaining why Obama wanted to bring the Census under diract control of the White House.

  4. Phil Says:

    i’m not sure what the point of this post is. I can’t help but sense a subtle layer of veiled race baiting.

  5. jonolan Says:

    That’s nice, Phil. It’s not too surprising that you and your kind don’t understand a post about how the census is being corrupted by using racist, ghetto-thugs and criminal organizations like ACORN to collect data.

    Did you have anything pertinent to add to this thread, or were you just stopping by to spew some more?

  6. Phil Says:

    That’s nice, Phil. It’s not too surprising that you and your kind don’t understand a post about how the census is being corrupted by using racist, ghetto-thugs and criminal organizations like ACORN to collect data.

    My kind being who? African Americans?

    Anyways, I don’t have a problem with the part about ACORN being used to collect data during the census. There’s nothing wrong with your criticism there, but its extremely odd that the first and largest paragraph in your post talks about the the black population growing, then in the same breath links them to “the already shameful “baby mama” population”. All for no apparent reason. In fact your post is called black population boom, instead of anything dealing with the census or ACORN.

    So yes, excuse me for pointing out the racial implications of your post. Not that my kind, whomever they might be, can understand such advanced thinking.

  7. jonolan Says:

    You’re kind as in Liberals, Phil. I have no clue as to what race you belong to. If you are Black, then I can understand your overly-honed sensitivities over this post. If you’re not, then I have to put it off as you being another victim of ethno-guiltism.

    As for the specifics of what you’ve chosen to complain about, did anything that I wrote step outside of the realms of fact? Did I say anything untrue? Is a “Black Population Boom” not what we can expect the census to show with ACORN involved?

    Of course you are perfectly allowed to think of me as a racist, if you so choose. It really doesn’t matter to me one way or another.

  8. Phil Says:

    As for the specifics of what you’ve chosen to complain about, did anything that I wrote step outside of the realms of fact? Did I say anything untrue? Is a “Black Population Boom” not what we can expect the census to show with ACORN involved?

    All of it is outside the realm of fact. That’s the problem. You don’t know what the census numbers will be. You don’t know that it’ll show large increases of African Americans. And you don’t know that a census reflecting a large increase of African Americans is fraudulent. If you did know any of these points, as a FACT, then we wouldn’t need to perform a census.

    Everything you’ve written here is pure speculation. You might think its informed speculation, which its not, but its speculation none the less.

    But speculation aside here’s my main point. What does ACORN helping with the census have to do with reporting an increased in African Americans? ACORN isn’t an African American interest group. And I’m not sure what benefit there would be to fraudulently claiming that there are more black people in this country than there really is.

  9. Phil Says:

    You’re kind as in Liberals, Phil.

    As I’ve told you several times, I’m not a liberal. Solidly a democrat, but certainly not a liberal.

    You can call me one of course, but i’m just letting you know.

  10. jonolan Says:

    Phil,

    As usual, you fail to respond to respond to the specifics of the post or my questions in the comments, preferring to attack tangentially in an effort to further some agenda, ideology, or beliefs that you hold.

    For the record though, ACORN is in practice a Black special interest group, and one with a long history of antisocial behavior ranging through intimidation, public disturbance, trespassing, breaking & entering, and various variations of voter registration fraud.

    It’s quite reasonable to predict that they’ll attempt to inflate the Black populations and deflate the White populations in the census in an effort to gerrymander various districts.

    Since you’re not ignorant, it’s hard for me to believe that you don’t realize this – or it is that you like what they’re likely trying to do?

  11. Phil Says:

    Jon

    The problem with you is you avoid defending your arguments on anything you don’t want to talk about. I told you from the beginning that I wasn’t arguing, even remotely, about ACORN or their participation in the census. If you’d like to have an argument about that I’d gladly do that after this debate as a matter of courtesy.

    But regardless, you can’t conflate the two arguments.

    Anyways,

    As usual, you fail to respond to respond to the specifics of the post or my questions in the comments, preferring to attack tangentially in an effort to further some agenda, ideology, or beliefs that you hold.

    No your problem is that you’re a sloppy arguer. You try to make every argument about every subject. Then you ignore arguments you can’t respond to .

    Like I’ve said several times, my argument is about the racist undertone of your post not the merrit of ACORN

    For the record though, ACORN is in practice a Black special interest group,

    What’s your proof of this. Sounds like a stereotyping assumption to me. And a pretty big one to just assert. So show me concert proof of their history of being a black special interest group. History, being examples over a period of time and not just one example or a few examples during one time period.

    It’s quite reasonable to predict that they’ll attempt to inflate the Black populations and deflate the White populations in the census in an effort to gerrymander various districts.

    First of all, ACORN isn’t doing the census, they’re assisting with it. As one of 250 different groups. Big difference there buddy.

    http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/republicans-charge-campaign-violations-by-acorn-2009-03-19.html

    Second, You don’t understand the concept of gerrymandering. Gerrymandering, and redistricting in general, is a political negotiation between the political parties in the state. As we’ve seen in Texas and Colorado, the majority party if they really want can redistrict anyway they choose regardless of the census outcome. So it’s not like ACORN, as one of 250 other organizations, has some sweeping magical wand that will let them turn red districts into blue.

    Ultimately you’re post is based on a lot of unstated assumptions and unwarranted assertions that you assume everyone “smart” agrees with. Sorry buddy, the world doesn’t work like that. You can’t just make things up and then blame “those liberals” for being stupid because they disagree or call you out.

  12. jonolan Says:

    No, Phil. You’re just another Liberal who’s spurious arguments and claims of racism I choose to ignore as unworthy of comment. That is why I don’t particularly address your mouthings here, since they are rarely, if ever, more than attacks on matters that are tangential to the posts in questions.

    Look, it’s obvious to me that you disrespect and disapprove of me, this blog and – judging from your own blog – America in general. Why do you keep coming here? I won’t ban you or censor you, but you’re not going to get much satisfaction beyond a place to type your opinions.

  13. Phil Says:

    So I ask you why ACORN is a “Black special interest” organization and your response is to call me a liberal who hates America?

    Really? That’s seriously the best you have? I hate America?

    Whether democrat or republican, i feel sorry for someone who’s forced to resort to the ” you hate America” card. lol

    Thanks for the debate.

  14. Hannah Says:

    Hi. I’m very interested in your blog post, and I have a few questions and concerns. I’m not trying to be rude (so I want to preemptively apologize if I come off that way). I’m trying to not make any assumptions about what you stated which is the reason for all the questions. Just to give you a little context, I’m a labor historian.

    1. Who are the ne’er-do-wells that want this that you are referring to? What makes them ne’er-do-wells? How does their wants and according to you their actions impact you and the rest of America?

    2. What is this “baby mama” population that you are referring to? Single mothers? And how is this shameful?

    3. Out of all the voter registration information forms ACORN has taken in over their long history, how many have turned out to be fraudulent? Did ACORN fire the people who turned in the fraudulent registration forms? Did ACORN certify those forms or did the staffers just turn them in and they were rejected? How many staffers did ACORN hire during the last presidential campaign, and out of that many, how many were involved in the fraudulent activity?

    4. ACORN is just assisting in the recruitment of temporary workers correct?

    5. What makes you believe that the census was run properly before in the past? Do you think that it is possible that African-Americans were skipped over? Or that there were dishonest people in the past? In 2004, wasn’t there a scandal dealing with the bribing of census officials?

    6. What is the impact of a census return that shows an increase in the African-American population? What funds would be allocated differently and why?

    Thank you!

  15. jonolan Says:

    Phil,

    Yes, amid your rambling, off-topic diatribe, you did manage to ask that. That being the case, I’ll answer it.

    ACORN is made up primarily of Blacks and serves the interests primarily of Blacks. It wasn’t designed to be that way, but that is what it ended up being. While there’s nothing intrinsically wrong with that, they’re actions and their public interviews show that their agenda is now racially motivated.

    Now, I realize that you’ll now refute those claims as unfounded and being racist. That is essentially all that you have done here so I doubt that you’ll suddenly change your behavior.

    I assume that you’re done here now. I know that I can find no further purpose in what passes for your discourse and have done my best to make that point clear.

  16. Phil Says:

    ACORN is made up primarily of Blacks and serves the interests primarily of Blacks.

    Proof please?

  17. jonolan Says:

    Hannah,

    Here are your answers.

    1) Those ne’erdowells would be various groups hoping to shift the borders of various districts so as to “adjust” – possibly through less than ethical means – the racial and political party makeup of those districts for their own purposes.

    2) Yes, it was the single mothers and absentee or unknown fathers I was referring to, with an emphasis on the fact that this is primarily a Black problem.

    As to why it shameful, just look at the correlations between single mothers, poverty, and crime. If you can’t see that as shameful, I can’t think of a way of explaining it to you. Sorry.

    3) The answers to most of these points is unknown since ACORN doesn’t – apparently – keep records on such matters, or at least law enforcement has had trouble getting such records from ACORNS.

    ACORN has a practice of hiring people off the streets, providing them little or training or oversight, and paying them during elections on a piece-rate. This sets up the condition for fraud and actively encourages it. ACORN knows this and has repeatedly chosen to ignore the problem. This implies complicity.

    Combine that with the fact that ACORN only functions in minority – primarily Black – neighborhoods, it takes on a racist overtone that is quite disturbing.

    4) ACORN will likely recruit and “train” these temporary workers in the same manner as they did voter registration workers. I’m fairly sure that even greater levels of fraud will be committed since the Census isn’t regulated or verified as well as the elections were.

    5) That’s sounds pretty close to “well they did it first so we deserve to do it too.” But yes, there has been problems with the census before.

    6) The Census is used to determine a great number of things in the US. Fraudulently changing the numbers will affect far more than just Congressional districts. A whole host of programs and funding arrangement are based upon it. It needs to be as accurate as possible.

    I’m fairly sure that, as a labor historian, you’ll have a different perspective on these matters.

  18. jonolan Says:

    Look it up, Phil – or don’t as you please. I owe you and your kind no explanations, justifications or proof and do not choose to further debase this post by responding to you and your mouthings.

    Go back to reading Zakaria’s Post-American World. We’ll both be happier.

  19. Phil Says:

    Look it up, Phil – or don’t as you please. I owe you and your kind no explanations, justifications or proof and do not choose to further debase this post by responding to you and your mouthings.

    Go back to reading Zakaria’s Post-American World. We’ll both be happier.

    In the time you spent insulting “us liberals” you could’ve easily cited your source. If you’re right it should be easy for you to provide the supporting evidence. It’s that simple. I don’t know why its such a big deal.

  20. TD Says:

    “2) Yes, it was the single mothers and absentee or unknown fathers I was referring to, with an emphasis on the fact that this is primarily a Black problem.”

    I was surprised when i saw that line the first time before I even read anyone else’s post. Using a slang term (baby mama population) with a negative connotation (shameful) is getting awfully close to a slur. Paraphrasing statistics that point out the distribution of the races across socioeconomic lines is one thing but to speak about single motherhood as a problem and then as if it primarily a black problem at that is definitely not paraphrasing a statistic. It sounds like you think people should be blamed them for their own misfortunes. You may not have meant it to come off racist but it does.

  21. jonolan Says:

    TD,

    I see no reason to avoid the issue or fail to mention it. Children of single mothers are statistically much more prone to criminal behavior, among a host of other problems. and since – according to the CDC – approximately 72% of the births to black women were out of wedlock as opposed to 51% of Hispanic births and 28% of White births, I’d say that it’s a primarily Black problem.

    For some reason you don’t find the behavior shameful and seem to prefer to think of the women in question as victims. Sorry, they’re to a large part only victims of their own irresponsibility and lack of judgment.

  22. SureEnough Says:

    Damn, jono. Why in God’s name do you put up with some of these people? They come here and hijack your shit, whining about bits and pieces of what you said instead of getting the jist of it.

    You should just go on delete ’em. Not like they should be allowed to say things like that.

  23. jonolan Says:

    That would be a NO, SureEnough!

    Reflections From A Murky Pond is not one of those closed ecosystem style of love fest blogs where dissent isn’t tolerated and is purged. I’ll leave that for the other side of the ideological divide – and suggest that you consider the same, or at least not advocating for censorship.

    Yes, I do not favor meaningless and tangential attacks, but I’m not going to start deleting them. I’m not about to become some sad, petty little “blog tyrant.”

    Also, only one commenter on this topic even fell into that category. TD and Hannah were quite polite and fairly on topic, especially since the topic was more than a little derailed by certain parties anyway.

    Now, as I said to others, if you have something pertinent to this topic then please share it. Otherwise…I assume you know where the back button is. 😉

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