Comments on: ‘08 Infanticide Games

By: jonolan

jonolan — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:01:25 +0000

Ahh, now I begin to understand. Thank you. Isn’t praising the PRC a key point added to all officially distributed religious texts in China?

By: Lue-Yee

Lue-Yee — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:55:09 +0000

»Lue-Yee, how would Stockholm syndrome apply to Chinese Christians in America?«
The ones who left think China’s in great shape if they became believers after leaving China. The ones who hear them think they’re right. Then everyone gets the wacky idea that praising communist China is what the Bible calls “submitting to authority”.

By: jonolan

jonolan — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:46:11 +0000

aafke, sad but not unexpected. Few nations will forgo the pleasures and prestige of the Olympics over something as “trivial” as a litany of human rights violations and ecological devastation.

I keep hoping though…

By: aafke

aafke — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:10:02 +0000

There was talk of the Dutch delegation not going to Bejing because of the disregard for human rights in China. I was all for it. The meeting was held this morning.
I’ve just heard the results on the radio:
It was one big scam! Offcourse they’re going, Can’t let all the other countries get the golden medaillons! And, naturally; everybody is going to party in Beijing! The human-rights-thingy is a pity, but is quite a different issue.

I hope they get nothing!

By: jonolan

jonolan — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:55:05 +0000

Lue-Yee, how would Stockholm syndrome apply to Chinese Christians in America?

By: Lue-Yee

Lue-Yee — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 01:37:37 +0000

Stockholm syndrome and propaganda that’s backed by the promise of profit.

By: jonolan

jonolan — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:44:08 +0000

Welcome, Lue-Yee! Yes, the Chinese Christians celebrate their brethren in China for the oppression they suffer, but seldom publicly denounce the actions of the Chinese government. This is a fact that has often confused me since most people waste no no time in denouncing their oppressors.

By: Lue-Yee

Lue-Yee — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:34:02 +0000

Beijing murders, the world pays no heed. Beijing gets the Games, the deluded Chinese people in America celebrate while their Christian brethren in China are persecuted for refusing to put their church under the regime’s control.

Sadly, the Chinese Communist Party’s propaganda is very seductive, especially when there’s money to go along with the words.

By: jonolan

jonolan — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:53:06 +0000

Aafke,
welcome back, though sorry it a return to this sort of thing. Unfortunately i have a deep seated need to post about various “bad acts” that are perpetrated across he globe. Try some akvavit; I’ve found it to settle one’s stomach very well indeed.

I don’t think Christy was trying to say “its not such a big deal.” She was just questioning why we are so outraged by this heinous thing but not bothered by people voluntarily undergoing the same essential procedure. I’ll let her clarify better for herself though…

Christy,
A lot of the discrepancy or disparity in reaction – though little, if any of it having to do with late-term abortions – has to do with the fact that our society is divided on when “personhood” starts. From what I can see, that is really what the abortion argument comes down to – not whether “murdering unborn babies” is OK, but whether it’s murder at all.

By: Christy

Christy — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:11:46 +0000

I think the horror of what the Chinese do is more – to me at least – caused from the involuntary nature of situation. Late-term abortions carry their own weight of sorrow and horror, but having the State require it and enforce on unwilling people raises the atrocity to a whole new level.

Oh, I agree with you, Jonolan, which I’m sure you could surmise by now; I just wanted to ask the question that if we rightly react with horror, anger, and grief over this story and the nightmare/atrocity these parents have had to go through at the hands of the State, against their will, are we just as willing to see that this emotional response is as necessary for normal abortions? My guess, in large part, is “no.”

My only point is to raise the inconsistency of thinking that this kind of story will expose. Simply the desire of a parent for a baby does not make the act any less horrific for the child itself. In fact, that a parent would choose to abort their child makes those abortions even more morally outrageous, in my mind. I’m not even beginning to unpack the arguments here…I just wanted to point out that while this is absolutely horrifying, we should be responding in the same manner to the abortions we do in our own country, and yet, in large part, we don’t. So why? Why the discrepancy?

Furthermore, I do think that if we are not careful to preserve and fight for the sanctity and dignity of human life, we do risk going down a road we do not desire – and while it seems unfathomable that we could end up with a government like China’s…I question how long it will take sliding down a slippery slope that will lead us to that kind of horror if we don’t start recognizing now where we might be headed. The minute we start making judgments about the value and worth of someone’s life, whether in the womb, whether injured on the battlefield or by accident, whether due to old age, we risk becoming the monsters the individuals, acting on behalf of the State in this story, have become.