Returning to the alternatives, while I don’t have any studies in front of me as proof, the reasons societies didn’t suffer when abortion wasn’t legal was because it was always practiced in an alley. Abortion has been around for millenia, and will not simply go away. Regulating something that people consider their right simply pushes it underground … alcohol seems to come to mind.

The only solution I can see is simply do what you think is right for yourself and don’t interfere in another persons life. As long as someone actions aren’t directly effecting you in a negative way, why do you care? People aren’t asking you to perform the abortion, all they want is to be left alone. This same argument goes for smoking pot, crazy sex acts and the like … nobody likes being told how to live, especially when their actions aren’t physically bothering anyone else.

… personally, I think that organized Religion (lets use Scientology as an example) is far worse for society than abortion ever could be, but I am not going to preach the abolition of Religion simply on the basis of logic.

I’m not so much of an idealist as I am someone who recognizes that changes will happen as reactions to stimuli. In the case of abortion, if it were outlawed – not on the table as an option right now – it would result in a drop in promiscuity, since many people would see that as the easier and safer option than “risking” either parenthood or an illegal abortion.

It’s called Social Engineering and it works, whether we like it or not, both for Liberal and Conservative changes.

I find my comparison quite apt and fair, zhann. Indeed, your position and complaint don’t make sense to me. If abortion is the murder – and you, yourself wrote, “I know, abortion is murder” – of an innocent baby, than it is comparable – though probably worse – than more “normal” murders, and to rape and slavery.

You can’t have it both ways, zhann. If you believe that abortion is murder then you hold that it is comparable to other felonies.

On the alternatives – All I can easily say is that it worked before, both in America and in other countries who had for decades completely outlawed abortion. Societies did not collapse because people behaved differently.

Your comparison of abortion to murder, rape and so on is unfair. They are entirely different practices. I know, abortion is murder, but I revert to my original argument, there is no viable alternative.

As for Jay’s alternative, this is a case of elementary mathematics. How many abortions are done in a day? According to wiki answers, the number in the USA alone is 3,700 (1,350,000 per year). Now, how many children are adopted anually? According to Child Welfare, within 2 years about 125,000. So, if the waiting list were emptied that is approximately another 250,000. While Jay’s response seems like a good one, it is far from thought through. Even if we assume that there will be a 75% decrease in pregnancies resulting from outlawing abortion (which will never happen), our orphanages would be strained to the limit within a year or two and society will be hit hard.

I know it sounds like I am all for abortion, but honestly I am not. I feel that this is a terrible aspect of humanity, one of many, but in our current state we really have no viable alternative.

Jay pretty much summed up the core of a valid alternative. It’s made even easier these days since agencies are more willing to place minority infants with White adoptive parents, something they used to refuse to do out of a fear of “cultural genocide.”

As for abortion turning into an underground practice if it is outlawed – Murder, Rape, Slavery, and a plethora of reprehensible practices and acts have been outlawed by society and they too are now “underground” activities. That hasn’t, too a large extent, caused people to want to decriminalize them.

As for it being disastrous for society – No. It would force American society to change, to revert from its current hyper-promiscuous model and its belief in sex without fear of consequence, but that would hardly be disastrous, nor would American society be unable to adjust to it.

In any event though, zhann, that’s all beyond the scope of Stupak Amendment which merely wants to ensure that the existing Hyde Amendment’s restrictions are applied to the federal government’s proposed vastly increased scope of involvement in healthcare.

lynn,

Firstly, thanks for stopping by.

How so in poor taste? I don’t see it as in poor taste to show images of the outcome of an act. I do admit that they’re glaring and upsetting, but so is the topic at hand.

I tend to not just tread, but dive into such tumultuous waters. It’s my nature.

The plug-in you’re so understandably happy with is WP Ajax Edit Comments by Ajay D’Souza and Ronald Huereca. I find it invaluable and highly recommend it.

Jim,

To the best of my knowledge nobody here advocates outlawing abortions when the life or physical health of the mother is at risk. Indeed, I know of very few in America as a whole who hold such an opinion. It is certainly beyond the scope of the Stupak Amendment.

As for the rest of your comment – It does make me think, but only to to think and wonder in saddened awe just how far afield from reality abortionists will go to justify their heinous acts to others and to themselves. It’s not murder because genes have passed down the centuries?

Do you know what the average wait is in the United States for a couple wishing to adopt a baby in the United States? I do. It’s 4 years. There are literally thousands of couples currently adopting overseas, because there are very few infants available for adoption in the states.

If abortion were outlawed the babies would be placed in loving homes instead of murdered. Doesn’t seem too dificult of a decision to me.

In reality, however, even if a law was passed outlawing abortion, it doesn’t take a giant leap of logic to see that this would simply become an underground practice. This would be terrible for society. Teenage pregnancies would skyrocket, and society as a whole would suffer. While it is a despicable practice, there truly is no viable alternative.

Oh, an those adamant abortion advocates, some of which are quite militant … personally, I think that they are not only hurting their cause, but are complete hypocrites. I know that divorce rates are highest in bible belt states, I wouldn’t be surprised if abortions were too.

I have no doubt, however, that you are right in your assertion that that I will get some “heat” directed my way over posting them – and over the totality of the post in general.