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		<title>By: jonolan</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonolan.net/politics/leftist-terrorist-teen/#comment-11885</link>
		<dc:creator>jonolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh and Bed-Stuy PUNK,

You both bring up, in your own ways, an interesting point. Shaw was largely inept.

I suppose it&#039;s &lt;em&gt;possible&lt;/em&gt; that the MSM covers the Left-Wing terrorists less because they have a history of being largely ineffectual.

On the other hand, neither the media, the Left, nor the government showed any particular outrage over either the prison-convert Muslim jihadis that were stopped by the FBI before they could bomb an NYC Synagogue, or the jihadi that shot up a recruiting center and killed one soldier...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh and Bed-Stuy PUNK,</p>
<p>You both bring up, in your own ways, an interesting point. Shaw was largely inept.</p>
<p>I suppose it&#8217;s <em>possible</em> that the MSM covers the Left-Wing terrorists less because they have a history of being largely ineffectual.</p>
<p>On the other hand, neither the media, the Left, nor the government showed any particular outrage over either the prison-convert Muslim jihadis that were stopped by the FBI before they could bomb an NYC Synagogue, or the jihadi that shot up a recruiting center and killed one soldier&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Brandt</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonolan.net/politics/leftist-terrorist-teen/#comment-11882</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Brandt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that he does have an agenda. He would be a very poor Tyler Durdan wanna-be if he didn&#039;t have a hit list of corporate targets. Then again he did break rules 1 and 2, but so did half of the other project mayhem members in the book/movie. The point is that terrorist attacks on American soil, by anyone, is not that common, and for any media to ignore this incident is incredibly irresponsible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that he does have an agenda. He would be a very poor Tyler Durdan wanna-be if he didn&#8217;t have a hit list of corporate targets. Then again he did break rules 1 and 2, but so did half of the other project mayhem members in the book/movie. The point is that terrorist attacks on American soil, by anyone, is not that common, and for any media to ignore this incident is incredibly irresponsible.</p>
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		<title>By: Bed-Stuy PUNK</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonolan.net/politics/leftist-terrorist-teen/#comment-11876</link>
		<dc:creator>Bed-Stuy PUNK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he only listened to Brad Pitt about the rules of Fight Club...
What is bombing a Starbucks going to do?
Starbucks users would just walk two more blocks and get their
venti mocha frapuchino</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he only listened to Brad Pitt about the rules of Fight Club&#8230;<br />
What is bombing a Starbucks going to do?<br />
Starbucks users would just walk two more blocks and get their<br />
venti mocha frapuchino</p>
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		<title>By: jonolan</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonolan.net/politics/leftist-terrorist-teen/#comment-11873</link>
		<dc:creator>jonolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cousinavi,

McVeigh got attention, true enough - though he too, much like Roeder, operated alone. Left-wing terrorists do not seem to get such attention by the media anymore though - even when they&#039;re White miles, a favorite target of the media these days.

Being motivated, by his own admission, by the &quot;Operation Mayhem&quot; part of Fight Club certainly makes Shaw a Left-Wing ideologue with a specific agenda.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Jumped up Jesus on skis, false equivalency and elastic logic stumbling over desperation is no way to go about argument.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

True - you should, in the future, try to avoid it outside of Liberal circles. ;)

An in any case and irrespective of our differences and our &quot;pointed&quot; way of expressing them, welcome to &lt;em&gt;Reflection From A Murky Pond,&lt;/em&gt; cousinavi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cousinavi,</p>
<p>McVeigh got attention, true enough &#8211; though he too, much like Roeder, operated alone. Left-wing terrorists do not seem to get such attention by the media anymore though &#8211; even when they&#8217;re White miles, a favorite target of the media these days.</p>
<p>Being motivated, by his own admission, by the &#8220;Operation Mayhem&#8221; part of Fight Club certainly makes Shaw a Left-Wing ideologue with a specific agenda.</p>
<blockquote><p>Jumped up Jesus on skis, false equivalency and elastic logic stumbling over desperation is no way to go about argument.</p></blockquote>
<p>True &#8211; you should, in the future, try to avoid it outside of Liberal circles. <img src='http://blog.jonolan.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>An in any case and irrespective of our differences and our &#8220;pointed&#8221; way of expressing them, welcome to <em>Reflection From A Murky Pond,</em> cousinavi.</p>
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		<title>By: cousinavi</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonolan.net/politics/leftist-terrorist-teen/#comment-11872</link>
		<dc:creator>cousinavi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, they always ignore the white males terrorists - like Timmy McVeigh.  He got no attention.

And, of course, being motivated by Fight Club clearly demarcates him a left-wing ideologue.  He clearly had an agenda - a list of demands...an organization of like-minded fuckwits behind him.  

One might, instead, call him what he was (as Faux News loves to tag those whom they directly incite) -  A lone, demented nut.

Jumped up Jesus on skis, false equivalency and elastic logic stumbling over desperation is no way to go about argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, they always ignore the white males terrorists &#8211; like Timmy McVeigh.  He got no attention.</p>
<p>And, of course, being motivated by Fight Club clearly demarcates him a left-wing ideologue.  He clearly had an agenda &#8211; a list of demands&#8230;an organization of like-minded fuckwits behind him.  </p>
<p>One might, instead, call him what he was (as Faux News loves to tag those whom they directly incite) &#8211;  A lone, demented nut.</p>
<p>Jumped up Jesus on skis, false equivalency and elastic logic stumbling over desperation is no way to go about argument.</p>
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		<title>By: jonolan</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonolan.net/politics/leftist-terrorist-teen/#comment-11867</link>
		<dc:creator>jonolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re damn right on that last point, Matthew. We bloggers are essentially the alternative media and the closest thing in America - despite I biases - to objective journalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re damn right on that last point, Matthew. We bloggers are essentially the alternative media and the closest thing in America &#8211; despite I biases &#8211; to objective journalism.</p>
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		<title>By: matthew wright</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonolan.net/politics/leftist-terrorist-teen/#comment-11866</link>
		<dc:creator>matthew wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonolan,

Perhaps you&#039;re right, but we&#039;ll never know for certain.  I think the only responsible thing we can do is report what we see, regardless of whatever light we see it in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonolan,</p>
<p>Perhaps you&#8217;re right, but we&#8217;ll never know for certain.  I think the only responsible thing we can do is report what we see, regardless of whatever light we see it in.</p>
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		<title>By: jonolan</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonolan.net/politics/leftist-terrorist-teen/#comment-11865</link>
		<dc:creator>jonolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew,

I&#039;m not convinced that you&#039;re really correct in your assertion that Liberals don&#039;t value one life or death over another. Of course I&#039;m not convinced that the Conservatives don&#039;t value one life or death over another either.

I really would have thought that a teen who bombed a building in a crowded city in order to emulate a movie character would have gotten more media coverage though. I&#039;m convinced if it had been a Right-Wing cause, as opposed to anti-corporatism, it &lt;em&gt;would&lt;/em&gt; have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not convinced that you&#8217;re really correct in your assertion that Liberals don&#8217;t value one life or death over another. Of course I&#8217;m not convinced that the Conservatives don&#8217;t value one life or death over another either.</p>
<p>I really would have thought that a teen who bombed a building in a crowded city in order to emulate a movie character would have gotten more media coverage though. I&#8217;m convinced if it had been a Right-Wing cause, as opposed to anti-corporatism, it <em>would</em> have.</p>
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		<title>By: matthew wright</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonolan.net/politics/leftist-terrorist-teen/#comment-11864</link>
		<dc:creator>matthew wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonolan,

I knew about this case, and you have a valid point.  The coverage was not comparable to some other &quot;higher profile&quot; cases.  The Scott Roeder case was huge news because George Tiller became a cause celebre&#039; for anti-abortion opponents, and because he had been targeted for quite some time.  Not because liberals &quot;value&quot; one life or death over another.  That is the crux of the problem.  Back and forth, tit for tat.  I suppose that is the way things are, so you should be under no illusions about anything being any different.  To glorify anyone&#039;s death or pain is no way to strike a blow for the cause.  It doesn&#039;t matter what side of the political spectrum you&#039;re on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonolan,</p>
<p>I knew about this case, and you have a valid point.  The coverage was not comparable to some other &#8220;higher profile&#8221; cases.  The Scott Roeder case was huge news because George Tiller became a cause celebre&#8217; for anti-abortion opponents, and because he had been targeted for quite some time.  Not because liberals &#8220;value&#8221; one life or death over another.  That is the crux of the problem.  Back and forth, tit for tat.  I suppose that is the way things are, so you should be under no illusions about anything being any different.  To glorify anyone&#8217;s death or pain is no way to strike a blow for the cause.  It doesn&#8217;t matter what side of the political spectrum you&#8217;re on.</p>
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		<title>By: jonolan</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonolan.net/politics/leftist-terrorist-teen/#comment-11855</link>
		<dc:creator>jonolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paradigm,

Shaw made political statements about his bombing in the sense that he claimed to be doing his version of &quot;Operation Mayhem&quot; against Corporate America.

As for Roeder, his killing of Tiller had little, if anything, to do with his anti-government position. It seemed to be a separate issue that only intersected with the government due to their response to Tiller&#039;s killing.

zhann,

While Andreas is wanted by the FBI, news about him and his action never made much in the way of &quot;news&quot; as far as the MSM was concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paradigm,</p>
<p>Shaw made political statements about his bombing in the sense that he claimed to be doing his version of &#8220;Operation Mayhem&#8221; against Corporate America.</p>
<p>As for Roeder, his killing of Tiller had little, if anything, to do with his anti-government position. It seemed to be a separate issue that only intersected with the government due to their response to Tiller&#8217;s killing.</p>
<p>zhann,</p>
<p>While Andreas is wanted by the FBI, news about him and his action never made much in the way of &#8220;news&#8221; as far as the MSM was concerned.</p>
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